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Neil C

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« on: June 21, 2015, 09:46:39 AM »
Hi, having a great weekend indulging myself on a songwriting course in sunny Essex with Mr Boo Hewerdine. Inspiring and great insight as ever from a master songsmith. Written one new song yesterday, motivated me to complete two others last night and a open mic session.. Today the plan is to write 2 more songs probably with others on the course. My fingers are a bit sore :'(
When I've a minute I'll try and jot down and share some of hints and tips.
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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2015, 10:14:00 AM »
Ok Neil....interesting to see what idea's you get from such a course.!

Neil C

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2015, 10:02:12 PM »
He's a brief set of notes of scribbled down amongst the exercises of speed writing (for the want of a better expression ) and then show and tell.

Boydie will be happy its about rules, no rules and song craft... ;D

Hope they make sense, they did in the room and using it for real worked.
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Neil

Writing lyrics to a set structure, we following a limerick with its 5 lines and with 1,2, 5 and 3, 4 rhyming. Then added a chorus.

Talked about simple traditional song structures, A, A, B, A with the first or last line of the A often being the title and hook.
 
Try coming up with melody with any instrument, just singing. This should free you up from chordal harmonies inherent in say a guitar. it may also open you up to major to minor opportunities.

Holding a chord creates tension

Try occasional passing chords - perhaps diminished or augments to inject interest.

How important melody is on verses. If you have the first two lines try which may repeat try to end on a different note on the second line to give it more variation.

Think of concepts or themes for groups of songs. Create deadlines to start and finish songs.

use the same words to mean different things - e.g. one dollar more...

idioms are great for titles and lyrics

use rhyming boxes

songcraft, economy of language, focus and be specific. maybe have a small idea but the detail gives it real meaning

dont get stuck, rough things out and refine later

listen to the sound of words, the meter, use of various rhyming schemes

use of ghost rhymes to set things up and then use a different word or meaning - your brain will get them both

Chorus - should take you somewhere new - different by key, melody, rhyme. It should be Big, repeat

Middle 8 can be used to take you somewhere completely different both musically and lyrically before bringing you back and should create some relief

Try getting concept and creating a structure and storyboard first before your write the lyrics and also
consider the musical style

Be personal and universal at the same time, song should be familiar and yet new and surpass

Think about self commissioning a song, as if you're writing for an artist and aim for them

Over write lyrics and then pick the best bits.

You can use time to illustrate and tell a story e.g. past, present and future

Brain fade, any questions happy to try and explain.



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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2015, 10:19:30 PM »
That is a great set of notes

Thanks for taking the time to share

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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2015, 10:47:33 PM »
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Yes it does! Sounds obvious when you say it plainly, but I've never made that conscious connection before. Thanks :D
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2015, 10:54:07 PM »
'From the top of a bus, she thought she saw him wave. She saw Tuesday's and forgetfulness and a little money saved' - Boo Hewerdine - The Patience Of Angels - such a great writer. Bet you loved the course!

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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2015, 11:11:33 PM »
Great notes, very useful information Neil, thanks for sharing! Wow, you must have had a very nice weekend!!  MM
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2015, 11:14:14 PM »
Cheers guys and Paul yes the course was great. I'd done them before and a great refresher a bit like an MOT. But there are people who go there not having written a song and or dont play who come out with some great stuff. And Boo's a lovely bloke too, and he's challenging those that attend not just to write but to be ambitious for themselves and there projects..
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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2015, 01:58:14 PM »
Just your summary is really food for thought.

So much here (structure - passing chords - melody in verses - detail - sound of words - overwriting etc. etc.)

Many thanks - and Boo Heverdine is someone whose opinion I would definitely listen to.

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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2015, 10:14:28 PM »
Boo who??  ;D ;D I'll check him out..
Sounds like you had fun - thanks for the notes - a good reminder set.
There'll be no stopping you now!  ;D ;D

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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2015, 04:01:53 PM »

 HEY NEIL

 boy you paid attention

 and plenty there to work with sounds great
 good to hear you enjoyed it mate
 this guy does sound nice

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