Romantic Gangster

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OkayAwesome

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« on: August 03, 2015, 07:40:27 PM »
cut from the cloth of the long good friday
been six weeks since we started hiding
there are only so many cigarettes I can stub out on your nightstand
talking a lot about your mid-life crisis
thoughts existential burn like cystitis
you've gone from a dangerous boy to a lonely hearts badman

I thought that the leather jacket
would mean I could pack it in, chasing all these goody-two-shoes

you looked like a romantic gangster
steal my heart with stolen glances
I thought you were an effortlessly suave
romantic gangster

talking in an accent from an end of London
I'm not familiar but it's kind of southern
makes the words you say appear a little blunter than I'm used to
leave me breathless with your cockney teasing
but we've been here since Evie's Eden
if I devised a disguise could we escape before we're through?

I thought that the leather jacket
would mean I could pack it in, chasing all these goody-two-shoes

you looked like a romantic gangster
steal my heart with stolen glances
I thought you were an effortlessly suave
romantic gangster

romantic gangster
romantic gangster

flicking through a little black book of contacts
saw the other girls names, but my jealousy meant jack
didn't realise you were as slippery as your hair cut
so I left you to your unarmed breakout

I thought that the leather jacket
would mean I could pack it in, chasing all these goody-two-shoes

you looked like a romantic gangster
steal my heart with stolen glances
I thought you were an effortlessly suave
romantic gangster

you looked like a romantic gangster
steal my heart with stolen glances
I thought you were an effortlessly suave
romantic gangster

romantic gangster
romantic gangster




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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2015, 08:55:43 PM »
This reads very well inded. lots to like in here with some wondefully written lines right from the get go.

What genre are you writing in? I feel with your style of writing any comments, good or bad, could be completely off the mark without knowing this.

Its a deep lyric and one that probably asks more questions than it answers. Thats not a bad a thing, it just means it demands more attention but can be come less accessible. I felt all the way through that she ( I presume its a she ) feels like she has misjudged her gangster. I am lead to this conclusion with lines like

I thought the leather jacked would mean..........

And she has finally come to the conslusion that she is wrong

You were as slippery as your haircut...........  ( a real greaseball huh?  ;) )

So she leaves him

So I left you to your unarmed breakout............

Still not sure if I have interpreted this as it was written but its one way this can be interpreted. I enjoyed it, but like I said the style or genre will define this as structure wise its difficult to see how this would work in the styles I am familiar with. You write well, so I am confident this is written specifically for something and will fit well.

Enjoyed.

Allan.

« Last Edit: August 03, 2015, 08:57:25 PM by seriousfun »

OkayAwesome

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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2015, 09:49:47 PM »
Thanks for your reply. As you can probably tell from many of my posts, I am less interested in genre and music and tend to focus purely on the lyrics, which is why I only comment on that factor on other people's post. I'm much more a technical lyricist than anything musically. I like to leave the genre open so it doesn't influence anyone's critique, if they happen to have the time to comment on it. I used to post lyrics on another site indicating they were death metal, just for the fun. I probably come from the camp on the other side of the lake to you, which I feel has the musical and melodic foundation I myself sorely lack (that's not commenting on your quality of your lyrics, just what I feel are differing approaches to writing + critiquing).

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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2015, 02:20:51 AM »

    Hey there,
        Plenty here to keep me fed, and turn the wheels inside my head. Can i just pick up on something that you came out with in your seriousfun reply. "Im much more a technical lyricist, than anything musically" That sounds like something that a pundit on match of the day would come out with, without really knowing what he's saying. Words on the page are musical, surely you recognise that.

                    Like your music though
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OkayAwesome

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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2015, 01:47:40 PM »
Hi Vintage. Without getting off-topic, I'd emphasise the earlier point I made about varying approaches to both the craft of lyric writing and critique. I noted my lack of musicality, which I must point is pretty much zero - I don't sing, nor have a band, and my ability to play anything other than simple chords on my strat has long since faded. I write lyrics for fun, I mostly write by adopting the style of whoever I'm listening to and having fun with it, and I come from a literature and poetry background. Therefore when I write - and more than not, when I post a critique - most of my emphasis is on the use of poetic devices for affective response. I do this because it teaches me a lot and helps me grow as a writer, and on the off chance if someone appreciates an element of constructive criticism, then it's helped two people. Where someone who writes differently - maybe the melody or riff comes first, maybe a drum beat, etc. - probably has those qualities at the forefront of their minds when writing and critiquing. Where some look for melody, I look for metre, to give a crude and cut-for-size example (and of course there are approaches in between and outside of those). So when I said I'm more a technical lyricist, I was explaining my personal approach to both writing and critiquing lyrics, which I imagine differs to others. Which is why a lyric critique community works, because of the variety of voices and feedback one can receive.

So my exclusion of a note on genre isn't to disrespect those approaches - nor to say I find such feedback irrelevant - but goes some way to ensuring the majority of people who might find the time to comment on the lyrics aren't influenced by any preamble, because I'm mainly looking for feedback on the words as they are typed, not sung.

Cheers for your comment.

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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2015, 06:37:23 PM »
I'm going to deviate a little from the critiques you already have. 

I thought this was a great poem.  Better as a poem than as a lyric. 

Why (you ask)? 

In my (one person's) opinion, the lines are too complex for a lyric. 

That that it won't make a great lyric, because I think that it would.  But if I were adding music to this, I would end up simplifying three out of four lines.  Not "simple" as in "dumbed down" but simple as in "saying the same thing in fewer words" - "in a more spare way of speaking. 

I wouldn't lose one line that I read.  I liked every one.  But "listeners" have less patience than "readers," and the second you allow the audiences attention to wander, you have lost that audience. 

I hope this helps.  If you would like some specific examples, just ask, and I'd be happy to tell you what I would have to do to some of the lines to add music. 
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2015, 10:52:26 PM »
Really great lyrics, there's something about the 'saw the other girls names, but my jealousy meant jack
didn't realise you were as slippery as your hair cut' line which I really loved. For some reason I was reading it in the voice of Lilly Allen. Fourth paragraph is also really good.

If it were to be put to music, it could do with some tidying up as hardtwistmusic suggested

Good write though, enjoyed reading it
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2015, 06:41:21 PM »
Thought this is a great work of poetry. Although I don't claim to know many of the poetic devices you mentioned, it was an interesting, albeit thick, read. As a lyric this poem would be problematic. For a lyric every line must be capable of being sung or spoken so that it achieves prosody with its pair or couplet partner and with the musical background.  To me, lines like these would make that goal difficult to achieve:

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thoughts existential burn like cystitis
you've gone from a dangerous boy to a lonely hearts badman
so I left you to your unarmed breakout

Don't get me wrong - they are clever and obvious painstaking work on your part has produced them, but to a listener these would fly by too fast in a 3 minute song - he wouldn't have the luxury that a poem reader has of digesting them slowly.

If you want reviews on poetic merit there may be some on this site able to do that, but most I think will try to envision the work with music as I tend to do.

Best
Paul

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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2015, 02:13:19 PM »
Thought this is a great work of poetry. Although I don't claim to know many of the poetic devices you mentioned, it was an interesting, albeit thick, read. As a lyric this poem would be problematic. For a lyric every line must be capable of being sung or spoken so that it achieves prosody with its pair or couplet partner and with the musical background.  To me, lines like these would make that goal difficult to achieve:

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thoughts existential burn like cystitis
you've gone from a dangerous boy to a lonely hearts badman
so I left you to your unarmed breakout

Don't get me wrong - they are clever and obvious painstaking work on your part has produced them, but to a listener these would fly by too fast in a 3 minute song - he wouldn't have the luxury that a poem reader has of digesting them slowly.

If you want reviews on poetic merit there may be some on this site able to do that, but most I think will try to envision the work with music as I tend to do.

Best
Paul

Thanks Paul. Really appreciate your time. As I said I love the differing approaches to lyrics everyone has, which means everyones feedback is so varied and useful. I enjoy differing approaches and post on other sites too to get a varying analysis Although I would like to point out, this is intended as a lyric and not a poem - as a poem this is terrible.

Cheers.